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When the son of God Jesus from Nazareth, a man with an outstanding personality, after having died on a pole, came into hell, he did not go into discussion or debated not the future of the humans, with the other son of men, the messengers who are living there, according to many. Because a lot of people take it that in hell, devils and sinners are living to be tortured by fire for ever. Jesus was three days death and according some sayings also three days in hell.

Three decennia earlier good news was been brought to the whole world because a Saviour had been born. Christ begotten through the power of the Holy Spirit was now taken away from the earth again by his own request. Jesus' miracles sufficient to establish his identity but the preacher who had given his all life in the hands of God, his Father, did not want a miracle to happen to him and did not do a further miracle to safe his soul. Surely Jesus trusted his Father, the Only One God, that he was not going to stay there in hell for long, as was told in Psalm 16:10. “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Ps 16:10 AV) Also Luke in his gospel of the Acts of the Apostles writes:

“Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Ac 2:27 AV)

“He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” (Ac 2:31 AV)

Peter knows that a lot of stories about fallen angels cast out into a dark place, but strangely enough full of fire, came into the belief of many people. He let us know that David's song is referring to Christ who was placed in a grave and raised from the dead before his body corrupted into dust.

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;” (2Pe 2:4 AV)

While Jude writes to contradict the idea of free running fallen angels going out to tempt others and bring them from the earht into hell. “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” (Jude 1:6 AV)

When peoples soul go up to heaven directly after they die it is strange that this man of God who did not sin after he died went first to hell. Also when this would be the place where everybody goes to who had sinned badly, to be tortured for their sin by hellfire, you can wonder why Jesus had ones more to be tortured. Did he not suffer enough for our sins, when he was mocked at and scourged before he was put on the stake? [“They will turn him over to the non-Jews. They will scourge and make fun of him before impaling him. On the third day he will be raised up.”” (Mt 20:19 MHM)]

Jesus who went with his soul into Hell (Hebrew ‘sheol’ – Greek ‘hades’;) was placed in the grave by Joseph from Arimathea. (Matthew 27:57-61; Mark 15:42-46; Luke 23:50-56) The body of Jesus Christ was laid in the tomb to be not allowed to corrupt.

Let's remember that the soul in the Bible is not immortal. The soul is our whole being; when we die our whole being dies; we have no conscious existence after death.

Ecclesiastes 9:5: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing...

Death is spoken of as sleep; resurrection is the awaking out of the sleep of death.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Christ being also the seed or offspring of Adam through Eve was now placed in the hell. He had come as messenger of God, like you could have found also other messengers bringing messages from God. There had even been one who was called "Satan" coming before the prophet Balaam. “And God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of Yahweh stood in the way for an adversary or a satan against him. Now he was riding upon his donkey, and his two servants were with him.” (Nu 22:22 KJBPNV) Clearly this Satan was sent by God: “And God’s anger was kindled because he went; and the angel of Jehovah placed himself in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.” (Nu 22:22 ASV)

Jesus as a man could perhaps not tell much to angels and in his lifetime perhaps would have to listen to them, though when tempted in the dessert he resisted Satan, and did not fell into his traps. After his baptism Jesus showed himself already stronger then Satan, so if it was a fallen angel, stronger then angels. After his death Jesus was placed higher then angels by God, so then he surely would be able to direct them or ask them things to do, and they had to listen to him. But in such an instance, why did Jesus, when in hell, did not interfere or advocate for the sinners with those so called fallen angels, when in Scriptures it is indicated that Christ Jesus was the promised Messiah who died for all sinners. In the old times they promised the people of Israel that there would come a man who would take the sins away from everybody and he would deliver them from death. Now this man is Jesus from Nazareth, and here he was placed in that so called terrible place of fire and brimstone. In case hell is the place where those fallen angels live, Jesus could meet them and talk to them. He could reason with them and then he would have to been able to tell them that by dying those people paid for their sins. With Jesus offer all people are namely bought and liberated from the penalty given to Adam and Eve.

“For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.” (1Co 6:20 AV)

“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” (Mt 20:28 AV)

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Ro 6:23 AV)

“Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1Ti 2:6 AV)

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:” (Ga 3:13 AV)

 

Jesus, who gave himself as an offering for all, could tell those 'fallen angels" that he had made the payment and had given his life for the salvation of all men. In case sinners had still to suffer in a purgatory or a hell for their sins the the reward of sin would not be death and then the promises of God freely giving eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord would not be true.

Jesus could tell those devils, who were evil doers, that all evil-doers, so also they, had been given as a price for the life of the good man (Pr 21:18) and were going to receive their judgment when he was to return to the earth to do the Will of God and to let the rightheous enter the Kingdom of God and the evil ones receive their second death, meaning eternal oblivion.

[“[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Mt 23:33 AV)

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” (Heb 9:27 AV)

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” (2Pe 3:7 AV)

“I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;” (2Ti 4:1 AV)] 

Jesus could ask them and solemnly charge them before God who and for what reason was going to judge the living and the dead when those sinners in hell received that penalty after they died. So they had to pay the first penalty with their dead, then they would receive a penalty in purgatory or even worse in hell, and the Jesus would once more bring over a judgment over them and then they would have to fulfil that penalty as well.

As mediator between God and men Jesus is also the right person to talk for us. “For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1Ti 2:5 AV) What would be the use of being the mediator of a new covenant as he as Yeshua, the promised Saviour, would not be able to bring acquittal. And what would be the value of his sprinkled blood of this Lam of God that speaks better things than that of Hevel or Abel? “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.” (Heb 12:24 AV)

As we read the above verses of the Holy Scriptures we should take in our heart that Christ’s spirit (his capacity for independent thought) returned to God when he died. His body and soul were placed lifeless in the tomb, which is spoken of as the hell. God did not allow his body and soul to corrupt, but restored him to life on the third day. And that is the Good News we should believe. In that we do have the promised hope given to all of us, who also sin.

In his newness of life Christ has not only independence of thought but he is energised by the Spirit of God with eternal life. “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:” (1Pe 3:18 AV)

As “God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 AV) we also should believe the promises of this Father of Christ who is the Most High and master of all angels, all people and all animals. Christ now lives by the spirit with life in himself and is endowed with the divine nature. But what is more, is that those who accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, believe in his name, repent, have themselves be baptised and obey the gospel, would receive a same nature as this Yeshua. “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.” (2Pe 1:4 AV) “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Php 3:21 AV)

In case we follow Jesus we may be sure, though we do have a poor body with a sinful nature that our character, our whole being shall be changed into the image of the body of Jesus his glory, in the measure of the working by which he is able to put all things under himself.

 

We have corruptible bodies in this humble state but know that Jesus can put everything under his control. So being there in hell he could tell those fallen angels they could do nothing to avoid the second death for those who would not be allowed to enter the Kingdom of god by him. Those who do not believe in God do not have any hope, but the ones who look up at God, may also look forward that heaven and earth are going to bring something special for them, with God, Jesus and angels in a hierarchy, but for a beautiful life without pain in Gods Kingdom, forever.

 

Please brothers and sisters as the apostles wanted us to know the truth about those who have died, let us keep to the Books of the Bible and not become sad the way other people like those who have no hope or those who prefer to believe stories of humans and therefore are more form this world then from the World of God. “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” (1Th 4:13 AV)  

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

Witness was given at the right time (1Ti 2:6), please let accept it. Christ has made us free from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Ga 3:13). Even he, who did not do any sin, went into the hell, so why should be to be afraid to come into that same place?

 

For the readers who can understand Dutch we would like to advice to read the article "Afraid of Fallen Angels" > Bang voor Gevallen Engelen in which is told why we do not have to be afraid of Fallen Angels or devils.

 

Read more about that place, called hell and about those so called fallen angels, devils and demons:

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dead and after

hellfire

Satan or the devil

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Sheol or the grave

soul

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